Let’s talk Excommunication and Dehlin.

Here’s what pisses me off the most:

John Dehlin loves the Mormon Church and what it represents at its core. Anyone can find him saying that in his own writing on his website.

If he wanted to leave the Church, he could/would have done it by now. But he hasn’t. In the midst of all his problems and doubts with the LDS religion, he has always opted to stay, to push forward, to support the ideals of love and charity and service that the religion is supposed to be all about.

But the Church is itching to kick him out because of the little details Dehlin justly points out as wrong.

 I’ve been to his website, gone to the primary source, and here’s the thing—Dehlin is much gentler with the Mormon culture than I am. Dehlin is much more educated than I am as well—he is about to graduate with a PhD in clinical & counseling Psychology from my very own Utah State University.

Dehlin is all about love—about healing the wounds that the Church causes due to sexism, racism, and sexual shaming. Growing up in the Mormon Church and culture, I cannot tell you how many young men I have seen go through pure hatred for themselves and their beautiful bodies because of this ultimate shaming. Dehlin is about individual people, about helping them have healthy relationships with things such as porn instead of adopting the Church’s “Touch it and go to Hell” approach.

Dehlin is about love. Dehlin is about help for the misfit. Dehlin is about people and real life and right now. And because he believes in helping people find their best selves within and outside of the Church, he is on trial to be excommunicated.


Dehlin is an opportunity for the Church to demonstrate its openness to questions and ideas.

Instead, of course, it’s demonstrating that it has no tolerance for such things.



To get the first-hand information yourself, visit Dehlin’s website here: http://mormonstories.org/john-dehlin/


4 thoughts on “Let’s talk Excommunication and Dehlin.

  1. Anonymous

    I have the highest regard for you, and I mean no respect when I say I disagree with this view point. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has a firm set of beliefs and those beliefs do not change just because the world changes. It is using faith that what we continue to have those beliefs even when it seems irreverent or old fashioned. The God I know and testify of is constant and fair in all things, and although the Church is not perfect, is being run by him through the men he sees fit to lead his church here on earth.
    Saying that, I also think it is unfair to speculate why he is being excommunicated. You have only read his side of the story, and have provided no argument for the church. The church tries to keep these things out of the media, and private, as it should be. What happens is between God, the Church leaders, and John Dehlin.


    1. skyegirl123 Post author

      I’m going to disagree with you right off the bat: The Church has changed many, many times–even it’s core beliefs. Take for example blacks and the priesthood, the consumption of caffeine (conveniently made OK when the Church bought a LOT of stock in Coke), and even the age of missionaries. The Church changes for convenience all the time, ever since polygamy. Because I understand that you are a member of the LDS Church and I respect you, I will also say that practices inside the temple have also dramatically changed since our grandparent’s times, but I will not go into detail.
      I’m not arguing that God isn’t constant, as you say, but His Church is definitely not. Flaws abound. As you grown up in the Church, you are taught to expect this because of basic human qualities, yes. No one is perfect–this is taught also. However, it comes off as mighty hypocritical when someone who points out and wants to discuss the flaws is punished.

      You are correct–I have only read Dehlin’s side of the story because it is the only primary resource available to me and I believe in coming to my own conclusions, not relying on the conclusions of others. I’m not criticizing the Church for keeping its side of the story private, but since it does, I have no argument to make for it.


  2. Anonymous

    Only certain aspects have changed, not the core beliefs. Your arguments are weak, the things that have changed are not because it’s become a convenience, but because sometimes things don’t need to happen until a certain time or we discover new revelation. In some cases it’s because of politics that we change things, such as the missionary age. This was changed because of certain laws in other countries that made it hard for men to serve a mission. I am well aware that the church makes changes, but again, this is where my faith comes in.
    On the caffeine matter, just to clarify- it has never been said that caffeine was against the word of wisdom or church views. That is a personal decision made by members on their own.


    1. skyegirl123 Post author

      I would absolutely argue that changing things like polygamy and who can hold the priesthood are MAJOR core belief changes. I would argue that your arguments are weaker than mine–while I’m using concrete examples and nouns, you are using fluffy words like “things” and “sometimes” and “in some cases.”
      Also–if certain laws in other countries made it hard for 19-year-old men to go on missions, how is it easier for 18-year-olds? That doesn’t make sense to me.
      Your faith is a wonderful thing, but it is just that–yours. It comes down to a very personal level (technically, it’s an emotion) and that’s not something you can argue.

      PS–Gordon B. Hinkley said explicitly “We do not drink caffeine” in reference to the Church when asked.



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